PieFedTesla pulls out all the stops as Cybertruck sales grind to a halt
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Tesla Cybertruck appears to be facing significant sales challenges. After initial hype faded, and over a million reservations turned out to be as real as unicorns, Tesla is now enabling leasing options and free upgrades to move its inventory of the futuristic pickup truck. The company's recent silence on the Cybertruck, even omitting it from their earnings call, speaks volumes about the situation.
Tesla initially projected sales of 500,000 Cybertrucks annually and established production capacity at the Giga Texas for 250,000 units per year. After working through the initial reservation backlog with fewer than 40,000 deliveries, the automaker is now struggling to sell the remaining vehicles.
Have they tried suing people who don't want to buy one?
In case you weren't referencing this, be amazed:
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-sue-cybertruck-buyers-they-resell-in-first-year-2023-11?op=1
I was referencing how Elon is suing companies for not wanting to advertise on X. But this is amazing, too.
Hmm, it's kind of like he has an established MO for when his businesses are failing due to his own poor decisions and lack of business sense.
And now he has access to the government billing office and all our SS numbers. Don’t hold your breath for your tax refund this year.
Does that mean Canada and Mexico will be sued if the tariffs don't make them beg to be annexed?
Trump lifted the tariffs. At this point I think it was just a smoke screen so there would be less coverage of Elon taking over the Treasury.
He delayed them for a month.
There are no smoke screens with this government. They don't "do X to cover for Y." None of it is "a distraction." They're impulsive children. They do X because they want to do X. But what they have learned is that if you move fast and do a lot of bad things all at once, you usually get away with at least some of them.
Nononono.
It's that woke mind virus! Those infectious liberals have prevented true patriots from buying his shitty cars to proposely smash their fingers in the trunk.
Hmm, it's almost like he's an entitled billionaire not comfortable living in the real world with people who actually have free will! I don't care how many zeros, he's a loser.
Probably an effort to prevent scalping. Oh, how optimistic they were...
Oh no 😥
You joke, but I wouldn’t be shocked if *someone in particular* gets that brainwave before too long
So much of the promo for the Tim and Eric mandatory attendance world tour 2020 has come true it’s fucking insane, man
They should force the government use cybertrucks for employe transportation just like Elon did with X and NTSB
That might be the biggest harbinger of whether musk or Trump is running things. Trump has banned fed government from buying EV.
You mean These people
Whoa, there was a lot of fElon fellatio in the replies on that site.
Nazi truck.
Apparently Elon hates it when you call them swasticars, so definitely do not do that.
I'm not sure why, but every time I see one I think of a giant tick that has guzzled way too much blood and is about to explode.
*SwastiKKKar
Swasticars for swasticucks
I can understand why Nazis like it, given the truck's habit of trapping you inside as it engulfs you in flames.
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Every time a Tesla burns a devil gets it's horns.
Innocent people are being killed. Not really something to celebrate.
They bought a cybertruck. Are they *really* innocent?
Or they know someone who bought a cyber truck. Passengers who accepted a ride. Children or family members who have no control over what the buyer does. Be realistic
"People deserve to die for buying the wrong car. I am the good guy in this scenario."
Wankpanzer
Apartheidsemi
Fashcan?
This should surprise no one. The reception was poor, delivery was poor. It’s a niche market item in an existing niche market. On top of that, the de facto spokesperson of Tesla isn’t well liked by a lot of potential buyers.
It is jaw dropping that only 40,000 of their one million+ reservations actually turned into sales. Thats 4% conversion!
Also, trucks are not a niche market. And there is pretty minimal overlap between the kind of douche who wants one of these and people who object to Musk’s behavior. It’s designed for his cult, especially.
"niche market," is a way of saying they made a bad product few want.
pickup trucks are hardly a niche product especially in the us
I don't think I'd call that thing a pickup. I'm not gonna run to the farm and pick up a 1000lb bale of hay in that thing. A Baja looks like it has more bed space.
A bad pickup truck is still just a pickup truck.
Yep, what else could you call it? It's not a hatchback, a sedan, a convertible, a sports car, etc.
Trash.
An enormous mistake?
Swasticar
Incel Camino
It's an Ute (as the Australians et al. call it), like the old El Camino etc.
Real pickups have body-on-frame construction with cabs and beds bolted onto the chassis separately, so that the bed can be removed and replaced with a specialized/custom one if necessary.
Calling it a ute implies some degree of utility.
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Hatchbacks can fold down the rear seats to extend the cargo area. The Cybertruck fails even at that.
Yeah. A wagon.
The worst El Camino ever?
A kid's drawing of a car come to life.
Hakencruiser
Most pickup truck owners don't do that either.
Maybe in the US they don’t…
And more ground clearance
To be fair, it's valid to cater to niche markets.
However, that wasn't what Tesla was aiming to do.
cybertruck is barely even a truck at all. its a truck shaped car for rich assholes to look rugged.
Try and fail to look rugged. They just end up looking like the douche nozzles they are.
They're a comedy show on wheels. They always lighten my mood when I see them. I'm a little smug too, knowing if I had that much money to blow, it wouldn't be on one of those.
Which is a very niche market. I'm not part of that market.
It makes more sense if you start from the other side - EVs are a niche market, and an electric truck is a small subset of that.
The Cybertruck sold 38,965 units last year, vs 33,510 for the Ford F150 Lightning.
One of the things I love about my Lightning is that it doesn’t look like a fucking cybertruck
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Other truck makers tend to let their vehicles fully render.
I will hand it to Tesla, iterating on the Cybertruck design must have been really fast.
Iteration 1 in play
Gotta save some polygons.
The Lightning really is a nice looking truck.
The trapezoid Minecraft
CybertruckDeplorian— not so much…I'll be borrowing that one.
See also:
Hey, that is a very hurtful thing to say about Minecraft. Please don't compare it to that rolling dumpster fire
Deplorian... Made me snarf. My previous go to, overheard a while back, Incel Camino.
😂 oh I like that! Good trade.
"Wankpanzer" is the one I've been going with.
I'm not a Ford guy, but they do look pretty good.
They shipped 39k cybertrucks for backlogged preorders that were based on a completely different description of what the truck would be.
Well yeah, but to be fair, they were lying.
Which is mind boggling, as the Lightning seems like a good, attractive vehicle, while the cybertruck seems like a pile of shit
The Lightning has also been out for a few years now, so it's not the "new" thing. Also, I feel like half of those cYbErTrUcK purchases were people trying to resell them.
Hopefully these people get double-fucked.
Moreso because they bought a swasticar from President Musk, but also because fuckyou to people who buy stuff just to resell at a higher margin.
I have no need for a truck, and I still considered getting one. The Lightning is very impressive all around.
I'm assuming the electric f150 has greater than 1 wheel drive?
Which vehicles have that? The base cybertruck has two motors for AWD.
Regular F150s have single wheel drive.
Can you explain? I'm not much into cars, but that doesn't sound right to me. A quick Google suggests maybe you're referring to the open differential, but I don't think that means that only one wheel is powered.
It's just to make OP feel smart. A single driven axle with an open differential with one wheel on more slippery ground than the other would result in only one wheel transferring torque.
Actually most vehicles are only 1-wheel drive unless they have a locker or similar installed (4x4 would be "2-wheel drive").
I guess making a search online is the one thing slightly more difficult than making an assumption.
You gotta love these comments in forums. Like the whole point of being here is to discuss and people like this are literally telling you to leave the site. Very useful, much contributions.
OK, but what the hell was that person on about though?
Tanks camouflaged as pickup trucks are.
When did they start importing the Hilux?
And the cybertruck is hardly a pickup truck. What were you saying?
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"Isn't well liked" is quite the understatement. "Despised" is more like it. I actually like the way the cybertruck looks, I think the technology is interesting, and if I really wanted to, I could probably afford one.
I wouldn't drive one if it was given to me for free. I'd rather take a taxi every day than drive a public display of support for the treasonous fascist manchild that owns the company.
Tesla's second biggest problem is their shit standards and quality control. Their first biggest problem is their shit corporate leadership.
I swear that every time I saw one, the people around would point and laugh. 100k+ to drive a car that is always broken and mocked by everyone is quite expensive.
Hey! I heard you could get one of these fasc-mobiles for $75k, now!
/s
Just wait till DOGE start requiring it for all government vehicles
"What?! You all *wanted* electric mail trucks, so here they are!"
(Sadly / Probably)
oh shit...
With all the trailer capacity available it will be able to carry one, maybe even TWO packages!
I'd like a GTA singleplayer cheat making every police car a cybertruck that can't pursue you for long and would rather lose control and do a barrel roll than even get close to you.
I mean off the bat that's one of the worse combinations of people/product I've ever seen. I mean off the bat electric car's target market is people that want to think they are doing something better for the environment.
So... then the guy making them goes loudly in the "fuck the environment" group.
To top it off though, Cybertruck itself always confuses me. I don't know who the target audience is. The original tesla's I could look at and think, that's a cool car, if they ever came down in price I'd be interested.
Cybertruck you look at and think... What a car would look like if you scaled up games from the 32/64 bit console era and made them HD without increasing the polygon count.
My problem with Tesla is that so many things seem half-unthinking, half-finished or half-assed:
Unthinking: I know! I'll put a ledge in from of the headlights, so snow can pile up while I'm driving!
Unfinished: all the seam mismatches and eternally unfinished-but-really-close! full self-driving (it ain't gonna happen).
Half-assed: that recall they had to do because sometimes the latch doesn't catch properly and the hood flies open when you're driving and blocks your view. Tesla's solution isn't to fix or replace the hood latch so this doesn't happen; they push a software up that monitors the hood latch and pops up a warning, telling you to pull over and check the hood latch. Because apparently fixing the issue that their poor design (see #1) and bad implementation (see #2) doesn't warrant an *actual* fix, they're just going to fob the risk , the cost and the work off to the customer.
I like the theory that Tesla had a long term roadmap before Elon scooped it up, and that he wasn't able to do too much to disrupt that in the early years because he was focused on LARPing as Tony Stark on the Internet, and the team that developed around him to insulate the company from him were reasonably good at their jobs. But even the best can only hold back so few bad ideas while keeping up the illusion, and the result has been gradually diminishing amount of ass.
Until that roadmap ran out, and/or Elon stopped being distracted, resulting in them designing and building the Elon.
Promised by next year since 2013
The target audience is monied tech bro millenials who really wanted a warthog out of Halo.
The problem is that the overlap between tech bros and nazi lovers is definitely not 100%, probably not even 10%.
Dont be so sure about that ratio. Plently of "got mine, im all bootstraps" tech bros. Id put the number at about 70/30% against nazis, but no better.
If they wanted a Warthog, they should have gotten a Jeep.
Or built one. There are at least three fully functioning Warthogs out there, I think. I've seen the one at Weta.
We're not all buying EVs for the environment. I bought an EV because I think the car is cool and it's really enjoyable to drive. It's nice that the "gas" is also significantly cheaper, but that wasn't high on my list of reasons to get the thing, either.
The EV owners I've talked to didn't buy them for the environment, either, but I haven't talked to any Leaf owners or anything. Maybe they're more environmentally conscious. It being better for the environment long term is definitely nice, and I hope progress continues on batteries made with less toxic components.
Thankfully, I did not buy a Tesla and they were never on my list of options because of Elon. So he definitely alienated a customer due to him being an awful human being. I also won't use any of their charging stations, since I don't want them to profit off of me.
You could say we bought our Teslas “for the environment” in a way, though a bit roundabout. When we bought them (2018), it was after having previously leasing a Leaf which had shit mileage and poor performance over 40mph. We wanted to signal to the industry with our dollars that we wanted the EV movement to succeed. Because apparently money is the only thing they listen to. We knew full well that EVs were only a step toward a greener future or whatever but we wanted the industry to take that step and understand that being environmentally friendlier was important.
Plus the initial sales were to people who had already committed to preorders at a lower price for a truck that was hyped up to be far better than the end result.
Cybertrucks are basically No Man's Sky but without the possibility of being good in a half decade.
Dag, yo. 🔥
Isn’t well liked…. Is a Nazi.
Let's not forget the quality. Also poor.
Plus it looks stupid, like what my drawings of a car looked like at 5 years old
The best thing they could do for their sales is get rid of all ties to Elon Musk.
They’ve gone a long way on flash and sex appeal but I think a little straightforward practical value would help them a lot. The market is awash in good competition now so their novelty effect is gone. And the sex appeal has ended for everyone except for 40k cyberdouches.
And get real professionals to design and build future models.
Also have anyone who understands basic car design point out why shit like door opening buttons are a terrible idea in emergencies. Or why requiring the doors to lock during a software update is stupid. Or why putting electronics not designed for extreme heat is terrible. Or that trying to use cameras in bad weather isn't any better than human eyes....
Now, the origin of all those terrible ideas will be running the government.
I'm sure people pointed out all of those things and were overruled by the Nazi manchild in charge.
It's all 5d chess technology that us plebs would never understand, what with our preference for simple, maintainable shit.
Just ordinary professionals will do nicely.
Or even better, get Olivier Boulet (of Mitsubishi infamy) to do their future designs so we can put the company out of its misery.
I definitely would've considered Tesla as my first EV but as of now they're dead to me. If he was completely gone then that actually becomes a selling point for me.
Instead they did the opposite and gave him the biggest bonus in world history.
While true this still won’t make the Cyberdrumpf meet EU regulations. You can’t make it street legal here.
As the article title states, unlike Elon Musk, Tesla pulls out.
I remember posting about how a guy with a cybertruck would be an immediate no go for me and I was told by a guy I was being too judgy lol
It’s a solid real world filter.
This is definitely more acceptable than “no social media” being a red flag. Got that one before lol
No social media is a green flag IMO.
You're literally using social media right now.
*Edit:* Downvote me all you want, but the fact of the matter is that Lemmy *is* social media. There's media on here, and we discuss it in a social setting. Literally the definition of "social media".
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I like the term that was applied to reddit, antisocial media.
This is more akin to forums of old and less like your facebooks, snaps, etc
Anonymous social media like this is not what people think of when someone says "social media".
Pseudonymous, not anonymous. It's a little difference, but one that can determine whether you land behind bars/dead/doxxed.
All social media can be anonymous if you want it to be ;)
Yes, if you're too young to remember what a forum is, i guess you can call it social media
Forums are social media
And pee is basically just water
No not the same. Forums didn't revolve around media, they revolved around discussions.
And I'm 37, thankyouverymuch
Both can be true. I’m reducing my usage of the REALLY BAD social media and trying to make THIS social media better.
Well, ackshually ☝️🧐
I give the gift of a free bird to any I pass on the street.
lol same
Are you Lynyrd Skynyrd?
I did go to high school in Alabama, and know somebody from Muscle Shoals ...
Is no social media a red flag?
To a lot of people yes, but I think they're more worried there's nothing that proves you're a real person, if that makes sense.
I see it as a liability more than anything. Your data is forever.
I've heard it mentioned, but I assume the people who believe it are people who are on Meta all day
Not really, but since we live in a world where most people are happily sharing their lives online it's easy to imagine how not using social media might make people think you have something to hide and, therefore, can't be trusted.
Few it fewer people are actually using Facebook and similar to share their lives because it just feels really intrusive.
Mostly because how much advertising is now showed down your throats.
If they want to know more about me I can share my camera feed but it's like 98% cat photos.
Imagine a cyber truck bro listening to Joe Rogan in that thing. How does that not make every woman in sight instantly aroused?? /s
My panties are soaked! I'm also a pudgy middle-age dude.
You can buy incontinence sheets at the pharmacy, y'know?
If they're not branded by right-wing personality I'm not interested.
:(
This is valid just on taste alone. The thing was ugly even before Elon started his descent into madness.
Being honest, if I heard about a woman that has cybertruck red flags (assuming you're cis/het), that's genuinely more attractive to me.
Rich enough to own a cyber truck, but not bright enough not to own a cyber truck. Yeah it's what they "call look at me" energy.
Politics notwithstanding people like that are just tiring to be around.
All they had to do was build a solid, reliable truck, and not be fascist. Instead they build a poorly glued together piece of shit and sieg heil. I fucking hate this timeline.
Don't hate the timeline, hate the news.
There are real people out there still trying to make the world work, getting stepped on, pushed over, marginalized, silenced. They need you. They need all of us.
Do not let The Bastards win.
(I'm still workshopping the "don't hate the player hate the game" - suggestions are welcome. Words can still inspire people, even before coffee)
Thanks, friend. Much needed words. Maybe I’ll put my decades of counter strike to good use at some point.
I hear it pairs well with Super Mario Bros
I suddenly realize why I was so good at bhopping without scripts. Haha I’d get banned for cheats and never cheated once.
I still refuse to see it as a truck. The defining feature of a truck is its bed, and the bed on this thing is presented as an afterthought. Covered, undersized, impossible to access from the sides. It’s just a tank. A penis prosthesis for the undersized.
I keep seeing people say this. However, hate is what created this timeline. I don't believe it's what will get us into a new one.
I mean no offense towards you; I want you to know this. I guess I just finally realized what it is that bothers me about that statement. In fact, I share your sentiment. Because not only are they poorly made, common sense safety measures are removed and replaced with poorly engineered crap that traps people, while other badly designed components catch fire and burn them to death.
First time I’ve used this phrase, myself. But I had such hope for the future and I guess I am finally admitting my hope is gone.
I do not blame you. I just happen to be the most stubborn idiot I know. *shrug*
Edit: I go back to my feed and see this:
Got a good chuckle at the bitter irony...
I think the answer is some kind of cynical optimism. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. You never know, they might all die tomorrow in a plane crash or something.
My cynical take on that stance is they probably overstaff the airpots they are flying through to ensure that doesn’t happen. But yea maybe they fall down an elevator shaft.
Somewhat ironically, they understaffed the airport they all fly through, and yet somehow it was innocent civilians that died.
I detest this timeline. I am disgusted, really. I've never quite understood hate, though; to me hate feels like making a solemn vow that subject of my hate will always have power over me. Because hate is irrational. It overpowers reason. But it is only through reason and logic I find myself.
The catch 22 is fear. Fear also deprives is of reason, but it also shames us, lessens us. Just as Yoda taught us, "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."
I don't wanna suffer anymore. But I don't want anyone else to suffer, either. Not even those responsible; I just want them gone from our timeline.
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Consume you, it will.
I was cyncically optimistic 8 years ago.
My optimism has been completely drained. I don't care anymore.
I don't even really hate or fear, I just kind of nothing and fake it on the outside.
🫂
That hate came from somewhere.
And SpaceX had such good publicity, also notably one aesthetically the very opposite of sieg heil.
I mean, aesthetics of Tesla advertising and design and everything were pretty different from SpaceX from the very beginning. I wonder how could Musk be the founder of both. Maybe they'll find traces of a brain worm in him too. Can't be solely ketamine.
he's not a Tesla founder, he only bought it
OK. Then I'd guess it's him sabotaging the idea of EV's.
He has never founded or invented anything. Every business he owns, he bought from others. In some cases he forced them to refrain from claiming to be founders at all. He's pathetic scum.
Apparently he did really found SpaceX. I'm not saying he did everything necessary on C-level to make it a functional company, but that's not really required (though if we think of such companies as Sun, there one can really see Bill Joy's deep participation in a lot of different core projects).
Does it though? I have had a real hard time giving a shit about space fir a while now goven Musk's musk is tainting it.
I mean it pretty clearly stated to look more like an escape plan than exploration around when Bezos had his penis rocket
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Were people allowed to cancel orders due to that price hike?
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Have they actually sold any for that little?
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Yeah I thought so.
Quite a few people would think $60k is a good price. It's not, but it's more palatable in the current car market.
$80k+ for it is only justifiable by shitheads.
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Exactly I thought this would be a purely functional truck at a good price, but for that much it is not worth it
Is this the one they let musk design? Feels like a Simpsons episode...
Personally, I'm holding out for the Tesla minivan.
Wow, it's beautiful and so futuristic! It's almost like living in the future today. I bet Tesla could sell twice as many as the Cybertrucks of those. Provided he makes it bulletproof of course. The great weakness and the reason for the disappointing sales of the Cybertruck is that the glass isn't bulletproof, I simply can't think of any other reason.
The Cyberbox! Imagine it! A box, with wheels! Don't need windshields because the cameras are superior.
Absolutely, I don't need windows, I use Linux! 😋
Imagining my new all electric commuting box with a high fidelity decal of Linus Trovalds giving the guy in the back a double fisted middle finger!
With speed lines and fire ball theme. The reverse sound alarm is the same thing they use in kei trucks...cute Japanese voice model saying excuse me I'm backing up! For lights, we would want fog lights along with a fog horn, we would want 300w for normal driving, 5000w for blinding incoming traffic and flash bulbs in case anyone wants to follow me too closely. A green laser for traffic cameras, and an LED screen so I can tell the guy behind me things I did with his mother. " We went shopping together yesterday... At Victoria's secret!"....and that's the design and how I would end a conversation regarding Tesla trucks.
At least that one had big cup holders.
I guess if Hitler was allowed to design a car, Musk didn't want to be left behind.
To be fair to Hitler, his cars weren't trash
They made Mexico city what it is. The beetle is legendary. And the program "hoy no circular" or "today you can't commute" was invented became too many people owned too many god dammed cars. So in the program they would allow you to use your car only in certain days. Additionally they modernized their metro system making it accessible for incredibly cheap. Not long ago for a few cents you could travel around the city a few stops. By comparison the trolley in sandiego is out dated as outdated can be and it only goes up and down the coast with only one rail heading east. Mexico city made a spider grid off they're system. Like from any peripheral location you can travel to the center or travel in the periphery towards another center bound rail. Its great. You can go anywhere without a god dammed car.
And he's the guy who killed Hitler, so there's that.
Can't say that about anyone else. Dudes an absolute monster but there's a couple Silver linings
That's it! We need to retire that joke or at least give it a 8 year rest 🤣
Beetle was a copy of a Tatra anyway.
I can't help but think that there's a Broadway musical first act closing song somewhere in there...
That one ruined Danny Devito. Maybe we'll be lucky enough this ruins Musk?
I wish journalist would stop calling this PS 1 Pontiac Aztek "futuristic"; it just highlights how shitty our future is going to be.
Ironically, the Aztek is way better, despite its age...
I mean it would fit well in Robocop or The Running man so I guess it counts
It would certainly fit this version of Robocop.
That's retro-futuristic, a very different thing.
I'm thinking more omikron the nomad soul lmao.
Both shitty visions of the future. Well the movie for Running Man took place 6-8 years ago, and the book takes place this year which could count as "future" since we're only in February.
So things are going to go downhill real fast, is what you're saying
No thank you. I don't want a swasticar.
I'd love to have one of those new production old style beetles. But we can't buy them here because our govt sucks donkey dick.
You mean this style of beetle?
I'm not defending cybertruck just wanted to point out the awkward history of WV
The massive, massive difference is that the VW Beetle wasn't a shitbox for rich people. It's okay to say that once in a great while. the Nazis, despite being horrific in most ways, did have an idea that wasn't bad and this was that. The VW Beetle was an affordable car and if something went wrong with it, you could probably fix it yourself with only a small amount of automotive knowledge. You really don't even need to give Hitler credit for that considering he basically just told Ferdinand Porsche to do all the hard work.
Not so much the Cybertruck. It was Elon's baby from the beginning and he took a very close personal interest in it.
The Cybertruck is a bad idea. Even for rich people. It's been demonstrated over and over again.
Importantly, the success of the Beetle came after the Nazis. They built the factory using confiscated union funds as well as having people pay instalments for cars which they would never get, built two or three Beetles, then switched production over to war-time production, Kübelwagen. After the war the unions effectively took over the whole plant... and also bought a couple of farms to make sure workers and families had enough to eat. Most of that is gone now but they still have their own butchery, VW part number 199 398 500 A is a saussage.
this is beyond amusing :D
Cybertruck = Homer car
Except the Homer Car actually worked properly. It just looked stupid and had stupid "features" no one wanted but Homer.
The Cybertruck isn't even that good.
I liked the homer car. Massive trunk space, 360 view, small A pillars. And having the kids separate so you aren't distracted by them. Only negative is you can't look back.
The lack of a roof is a big negative too. There have been experiments with bubble-roof cars before and it's not fun to be in a plastic bubble when the sun is overhead.
But they also scammed people into spending money on a Volkswagen that they never delivered and took the money to support the war effort.
I know exactly what I said.
VOLKSwagen!
Swasticar is good! In my mind, I was calling it TeSSla.
@angrystego @RangerJosey pretty sure we agreed on WankerPanzer
VW cars are built by Uyghurs, which, last I checked, are a surpassed minority in China, that has to work under slave-like conditions.
But I guess most cars are produced like this.
Nobody builds cars under slave like conditions. It’s just not possible. Modern car factories are highly automated plants that require skilled operators. In the case of the VW Xinjiang, that was QC inspectors. There’s no way a hole in the wall car factory using outdated labor practices can come close to competing against modern production.
You can be a skilled Person and still work und slave like conditions. That has nothing to do with each other..
I'm talking about the ones made in Mexico.
Yea, it seems like beetle is one of the few models not produced in China (according one propter of chatGPT, so some salt is required 😆)
It seems to me, that the cars needed in the biggest quantities and Budget EVs are produced in China.
I just had a talk with a friend of mine in southern Ontario who lives in a farming rural area. He likes cars and often does searches for used vehicles in his area. In a 200km area around Brantford, there are over 200 used Teslas on sale down there over the past month or two because people are dumping them because they don't like the brand.
The well moneyed sort who buy Teslas also like to change cars more often than the rest of us. Some of them are going to even more expensive brands like Rivian, and there’s a huge array of less expensive, more practical options.
Here’s how I personally see the brand transformation. I don’t believe these people are so principled that they are dumping these cars in protest. It’s more that the appeal that used to be there: of being part of the future, of moving off gas and embracing clean tech to help save the world… that little halo just isn’t part of the brand anymore. I see Teslas all the time where I live with license plates like “BYE CO2” and “LOL GAS.” But no one is going to hop on board that Tesla hype train any longer. They are no longer novel, they no longer virtue-signal and yes have actually become a bit icky. But I think we’re just seeing the end of the mirage, not really any kind affirmative lashback.
Have they tried making a decent truck?
Value is harder to deliver than hype.
The main reason I bought a truck was to tow heavy shit, and this piece of fuck trash Cyber truck can't even do that without the battery failing after less than 100 miles. Meanwhile an F150 can tow six times it's own weight thousands of miles.
I'm surprised you mentioned the battery (which is a problem with any EV towing), and not the fact the hitch can just snap off if you hit a pothole hard enough.
Wait what?!?!
The one person I know who owns a cyber truck was upset when I didn't call him when I had a truck needing emergency, my wife's car had broken down on a freeway offramp. The people that own these stupid things are cos playing as truck people even moreso than the average truck owner. The weirder part of his upsetness is, I was already driving a 3/4 ton truck because my commuter vehicle was not running. All I had to do was go get a uhaul trailer and go get her car. My mind is still boggled that he threw a fit about not calling him.
LOL. I have a truck for towing and other truck-related things and am quite happy to help others with aforementioned truck activities when asked. The amount of times I get upset when people *don't* call me to do truck things is like, hmmmm let's see....zero. It is zero times. A shrug is all I might manage to evoke from the drama.
It was the weirdest shit. He doesn't know anything about towing or hauling. His cybertruck is the first truck like vehicle he has ever owned and for some reason his ego tells him he's qualified to help. Its probably his total lack of experience that caused his upset.
To redeem him a bit he is incredibly willing to help people. He's just got more money than brains and experience lol.
Yah, I was about to mention ego being very much involved in all of this from the purchase of the "truck" to feeling spurned by not being asked to help. My ego would be hard-pressed to avoid educating him. Politely, of course.
Do you get upset when people move without calling you? 😄
Yes! Shouldn't your parents tell you before you come home from school???
Tbf it’s kinda a fundamental limitation of electric vehicles vs gas that the energy density of gas is way higher.
Well that would make you in the 10% of people actually using their truck
I bought a truck as a back up to my daily and weekend warrior, purely for towing and dirty jobs.
Always used my daily with a tow hitch for most things and honestly still pick it with a 6x8’ trailer on occasion over my truck often because it’s easier to maneuver…
A few of us exist
I was one of those that put down a deposit and happily waited for this truck to replace my 25 year old car. Then after he called the diver/rescuers pedophiles, I was instantly turned off. Now I actively push others to not buy a Tesla and refer to all Teslas as a Nazi mobile.
Get fucked Elon.
Wow, the Cybertruck was announced that long ago?
No, the cave thing happened in 2018, but the Cybertruck was announced late 2019.
Oh man, I got my timelines wrong. I think it was closer to a slow progression than instantly.
Honest questions: What attracted you to it? Do you like the design?
I honestly don't mind the design. Sure some people hate it, but I didn't care about others opinions on my car. That's why my current vehicle is 25 years old. At that time, I was looking for a larger EV and during that time large EVs were nonexistent.
What sold me was the functionality. The concept had bench front row seating so I could seat 6(which they removed in the final). It had a usable trunk unlike the EVs at the time. There was frunk which was only on Teslas at the time. Also Tesla at the time had the highest safety rating among all cars. A promising auto pilot (which is a lie).
It also claimed to have a bullet proof shell and glass. While Seattle is relatively safe, there have been many instances where people have been murdered for road rage or just existing at a red light
I will admit, when the first mentions of it came out, and it was going to be this cheap, capable, all-electric futuremachine, I was tempted to put down a deposit. At first I thought the design was functional, to keep manufacturing cheap and have a durable, Midwest-proof vehicle between the stainless and aluminum.
It turned out to be 100% the opposite of what I had imagined, so thankfully figured I’d wait. Decided keep my 10 year old car until it NEEDS replacement (which it does not).
Not OP, but regardless of it being ugly, it is novel and kind of goofy look, which has some appeal. Like buying a car designed by a child it’s sort of “fun”.
Otoh, I don’t have the cash to throw away on “fun”, and regardless, funding a nazi definitely ruins the fun, so even if I won the lottery, I’d have to find my fun elsewhere I suppose.
Also worth noting, ignoring all of that, the fact it was built so poorly and is clearly just flawed in ways that go well beyond the aesthetics also ruins it, even if musk wasn’t a nazi and the car wasn’t ridiculously expensive.
Well, at the time there were promises made that made the Cybertruck appealing. I actually would still buy it today if it wasn't a Nazi mobile.
Muskie boy, have you tried suing people to get them to buy the truck?
According to Musk, it's a crime to not buy the cybertruck
Is that "all stops", as in they will get rid of that guy who very definitely did a Nazi salute?
I don't even think he even commented on his Nazi salute after he did it. Which is even more damning.
"pulling out all the stops" probably means removing the minorities and anti-fascists from the tesla payroll.
Best they can do is promote him.
What do you get for a guy whose dick gets sucked by the president?
This just in: *Tesla's new moniker "Arbeit Macht Frei" tracks poorly with most human beings.*
Seriously, why the fuck is he still CEO of that company? He's actively undermining them in every way on a global scale. Tesla shareholders are idiots...
It is not a good pickup truck regardless of Musk being a fascist
It certainly doesn't look very useful. It looks like you asked a 5-year-old to draw a "cool truck."
It is, Elmo has the mind of a 5 year old.
I'm generally all for that idea. Everything is the same gravel color now, and oversized and shitty. They could have made something that looked different but was still useful. They just failed.
Pretty amazing how much you can milk fragile masculinity. Like actually astounding how badly these people need the vague idea of manliness to survive. It kinda makes me feel bad for them, that's learned behavior.
It looks like musk gave a verbal description of a truck to someone who never seen one before and they just went with it.
I wouldn't take a cybertruck if it was free, ignoring musk entirely it's just a bad vehicle.
The only place I'll drive a Cybertruck is in Fortnite because there I want my car to be unsafe.
You're being ridiculous, why would you seriously think that? That kind of internet opinion doesn't hold up in real life. I would absolutely take a free Cybertruck, I've long dreamed of making my own car bomb.
I know we're having fun here but I genuinely imagine it would be a complete fucking nightmare as soon as anything went wrong with it and I would absolutely not be willing to pay for repairs.
(Ignoring your last line joke)
No his opinion is absolutely correct. Its unsafe on just about every consumer aspect. It was cutting off fingers. It was rusting. In a crash its a nightmare. I also Wouldn't take one if it was free (unless im ok selling it without ever having to drive it)
Its a murderbox coffin on wheels.
There are a lot of testimonials from people who own the bastard things declaring that they're virtually unsellable, by the way.
Can you sell it for resources? There have to be some rare metals in them.
My boys specifically go after anyone in a Fortnite cyber truck.
This isn't the slam dunk you think it is, it's a battle royale game... Everyone is going after everyone.
I even purposely avoided the free Fortnite Cybertruck.
based
Even if you ignore the politics it's just a terrible car that is way too expensive. I'm honestly surprised it sold any units at all but I guess people just like vanity toys.
It's hard to find insurance for it, it's objectively terrible at its job, that's very few mechanics that can service it, It isn't available in Europe, it has terrible quality control issues, It is made by a company with terrible customer service, and it is made by Nazi
So many reasons not to buy it.
Made by under-paid awesome people that got themselves stuck working for an idiotic wannabe pseudo-Nazi.
Tesla fan here, this is kind of accurate. I wouldn't call it terrible, but the aluminum chassis means it has towing limitations, the small battery doesn't have nearly as much range as most other Tesla's and it gets worse if you're towing, plus not everybody wants to drive the Halo truck.
Double the range or cut the price by 30% and you have an interesting car, as it is now I look at it as a first generation attempt.
The car is objectively terrible. It's ha heavy duty car that can't do heavy duty things. The cybertruck has two things that it does well. It goes fast when you hit the accelerator and the sound system is really good. Everything else is extremely shitty, and a complete lie
It has a bold futuristic exterior design and looks.
It looks like something out of an 80s car video game.
Well yeah i guess. Taste is subjective
Driving a cyber truck is sure to get you some attention. That’s valuable to some people.
You've got some balls coming in here & proclaiming You're a fan of Nazi billshit.
I realize the American educational system has gone downhill, but surely at some point somebody taught you the concept of *nuance*? That not everything is black or white, good or evil? That sometimes things are shades of gray? Sometimes good people do bad things, bad people do good things, etc?
And that not everything is as it first appears at face value, you have to look deeper to understand?
I for one am very much a student of nuance.
I think we would both agree that of late, Elon has somewhat gone off the rails.
But that doesn't mean everything he has ever done or ever will do is automatically bad. I can dislike his current politics and the way he is approaching this efficiency project, without having to shit on everything he's ever done.
Thus, I remain a fan of SpaceX and Tesla, for the simple reason that they both lead their respective fields technology-wise. As someone who has owned a Tesla for years (going back to the days when everybody loved Elon), I can confidently say from personal first-hand experience that it is a fantastic car.
The fact that I now disagree with many of its founder's politics doesn't change the car in my driveway. It was a fantastic car when I bought it and it's an even more fantastic car now as FSD gets further refined.
I ask, for the good of our nation, please avoid black and white thinking. A population unable to grasp nuance and uninterested in looking deeper for motivations and questions below the surface is easily manipulated with range bait news. Republicans have been doing this for decades. Democrats have just started in the last 4 or 5 years.
I don't do nuance with Nazi shit, sorry.
Didn't bother reading past that nonsense. Glad you got some writing exercise in, though.
There are a lot of moneyed interests who want us all fighting each other. They want that so they can continue to extract the wealth of the nation for themselves. So while you explain why you've no need to listen to anybody, you are helping them.
Ever see a magic show? The magician sets up the trick and the cute bikini clad assistant jumps around and flashes her hands to capture your attention so you don't notice the magician has just palmed your card instead of shuffling it.
Elon is the assistant here. Everybody is focused on him and his stupid salute and all of the crazy things people like him say and do, and people are not focused on the real question of how to stop the fact that Americacs people are being bled dry.
I would encourage you to read the story of Daryl Davis, he is a black musician, most famous for becoming friends with a number of KKK members. Those people were used to being hated by black people and vice versa. All Daryl did was talk to them, listen to them, find elements of commonality. I think like 40 or 50 KKK members have left the organization because of him.
Look, you can make friends with as many KKK as you want.
I'd rather follow the example my Grandfather set, thanks.
Hey, the Nazis have a slightly better UI than the competition, I really have no choice but to buy their stuff.
This is a genuine argument people are making to justify why they're still buying Nazi shit. Right now.
More balls than braincells
Uplifting news
The Swasticar!
I’m betting high odds he will force the federal government to buy them under the guise of a green EV transition. With trump’s full blessing, of course.
Ugh. I can see this happening.
The shittiest way to transition the government to ev.
Maybe he'll force their sale to Ukraine, so Trump can pretend he supports them even while the cybertrucks break down in the field faster than Russia's WWII era tanks.
They'd get better use out of them by turning the batteries into anti personnel landmines.
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Nah, I hate him because when you look past his wealth, his "accomplishments", and his fandom, you are left with nothing but a piece of shit human being.
I don't like him because he is racist, transphobic, and attempting a Coup in My country.
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Are you like.. 10 years old? You clearly have internet access so I can't see any other reason why you wouldn't know. All of that man's misdeeds are clear as day, just open and read the news tab for once in your life.
This you?
I don’t think any of this warrants deletion
The Nazi salute he did is an example of racism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_gesture_controversy
His attacks on diversity is an example of racism
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2023/12/15/elon-musk-says-dei-must-die-and-criticizes-diversity-schemes-as-discrimination/
Anti-Semitic tweets
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/business/elon-musk-reveals-his-actual-truth/index.html
Transphobia, idk; I’m not right wing so that doesn’t matter to me
Coup
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/elon-musk-says-doge-will-now-shut-down-government-payments-he-doesnt-like/ar-AA1ylbNB
I don't need the Internet to tell me not to like Nazis. As a decent human being it's just natural.
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Nope. Not how that works. He did the salute. He went and showed his support for neo-nazis. If it quacks like a duck ...
I'm actually a Cascadian hippie if you'd like to assign labels. Hell, I will even let you call me antifa. But not supporting Nazis doesn't make me a Nazi.
I don't hate on people with different views. I live in a very conservative area. Most of the people I talk to on a day to day basis are still wearing their MAGA hats. I'm actually not a fan of the democratic party. But at the same time I'm not dumb enough to fall in line with the new fascist agenda. There's a huge difference between taking steps forward and burning down the system for personal profit.
Trump is an idiot with a personal agenda. Elon is a Nazi. And the people who don't see this are mostly poorly informed. I don't hate them for that.
But looking at your comments, it appears YOU are the one hating on everything different. Or you're just trolling, which would make you an idiot or a child, neither of which are worth having a discussion with.
Hi Elon. No, we hate you because you know you have Asperger's, think yourself smart, but are blind to the fact that you need people in your life to filter your thoughts and actions to cover your weak areas and flawed perceptions.
Only a fool thinks himself beyond improvement. Elon Musk is a great example of squandered potential and self delusion.
It depends on who you ask. In our fucked up culture where money > people, productivity > humanity, and dominating others > helping others, Musk is the ideal grand vision for what a person with “potential” will become. He has the highest score, therefore the best results.
It’s a fucking tragedy how many people admire both him and Trump for the most horrible reasons.
(In before somebody explains how this is capitalism’s fault. But I’m not going to disagree, lol)
Even by money standards he does stupid stupid things. How much money did he piss away on running Twitter into the ground and telling advertisers to go to hell. If he got the help he obviously needs he could have had it all. And his latest stupidity with the Nazi salute seems to be going down really well in Europe. Tesla sales evaporating in Europe. Just read that Cyber truck has completely flopped (shocking!)
I've hated him since the "that pedo guy" incident years ago.. I think that is when people started really waking up to the fact he's an incredibly insecure manchild. A bunch of poor kids trapped in a cave.. "how can I make this about ME?"
Yeah up until then I though he was a cool guy; real life iron man and whatnot. That baseless accusation was just so incredibly out of character it made me question his character, and then his later actions made me realize it was always just a character.
nah, i also enjoy pointing and laughing when i see a cybertruck on the highway
edit (and at the people driving them)
....you get dropped a lot as a baby or what?
Bit like Elon,
Never lived up to the hype
Good News: Now the nazi who owns the company can, via his role in the nazi government which he bought, can bail himself out.
🙃
(fuck this timeline)
Elon doesn't own Tesla.. Where did you get that from? He has 19% of their shares and is the CEO, nothing more.
So... how long before the federal government buys up a couple million of these things...?
Time for the US military to replace all their humvees?
Those things are rolling IEDs. I can't even begin to imagine how that would play out.
They just started rolling new postal trucks off the line so now seems like a good time to cancel that contract and sign a new one to replace them with Cyber trucks.
MMW Police and the Feds in US gonna be required to only have Cybertrucks in the (dystopian) future. Welcome to Night City 2077.
It's pretty funny because they kinda look like straight out of judge dredd. The shitty one.
I think the reason Cybertruck sales have ground to a halt has to do with their CEO Department's way of managing things and breaking into Governmental Agency's Private Information. It's also the reason you will find "FUCK ELON MUSK" being spray-painted onto Cybertrucks.
Is it possible to orgasm from schadenfreude?
A couple weeks ago I drove past a Tesla dealership in Northern California. They must have had a dozen of these dumpsters lined up out front.
I got some advice for them: Fire your CEO.
Look at the havoc that dude leaves in his wake. Prime choice for president.
Fire the CEO, for him to sell all his stock, recall all the trucks and go over them with a fine tooth comb for quality issues, force them all through safety tests and fix anything that's unsafe, lower the price by 40%..., get rid of the tracking bullshit, You'll still have a uglyAF "truck" but it might just be sellable.
Fixing safety issues would have to include that sharp front end. Maybe just ditch the entire "stainless" exterior and restyling the whole thing would help with that.
Pretty much start with the battery pack and drivetrain, start over after that.
Out of a canon, through some flaming rings, and into an empty bucket of water. If I have to watch a clown-show, at least make it entertaining.
Empty bucket of water? But we booked the shark - infested waters over a year ago!
Which would win? Clown or concrete wall? Let's find out!
Tesla just needs a new slogan or a good marketing campaign.
Something like:
Tesla - power by joy
Or "Kraft durch Freude" in German.
All that would perfectly fit the brand image.
For reference.
Or make a special edition. The Kristall Nacht with a red and black wrap or something.
Could even decorate it with a pattern based on an asian symbol commonly found on temples!
A nice white background on a red backdrop would communicate our bold passion
A german asian mix. That is so forward thinking.
Nice, how about "Cars enabling Freedom" or "Autos machen frei"?
I'm pretty sure that the new employee orientation has a banner that says something about work setting me free.
Have they tried pulling out the "Make a vehicle that's not a massive and shitty death trap," or "Boot the Nazi from the company" stops? Because, I suspect doing those two might help it out.
Elon is all this company has, just like Trump is literally the only thing going on in the Republican Party. The republicans are going all the way with Trump, straight down the drain, and Tesla will do the same with Musk.
The myth of Elon is still going strong. Now he's taking over government agencies. Not that it's the right move, but keeping him on might keep the stock at the insanely overvalued level it's at. That's all that matters.
Leon the Nazi can ask his dictator buddies, Abbott and the Orange Cockroach for a bailout.
i wonder when ol stinky starts pushing somekind of law that makes it mandatory to buy one
More likely to make the government buy them all.
basically same thing though, just even more infuriating
Or forces it on the military.
OK, that would be funny
DOGE
Well if they'd stop putting signage with "Arbeit Macht Frei" over the entrance to their factories maybe they'd do better.
If you do not revolt against the government, you will receive a free cybertruck as a replacement for your house, which will be too expensive to live in.
Each immigrant willing to leave voluntarily will receive a free cybertruck.
The US military, firefighters, EMT's and police force will get new vehicles! They will all start to use cybertrucks.
Do they still let you charge for free on the Tesla network?
Charge it during the day, run your house off of it at night when you are home. Save electricity.
Thanks to Elon, inspecting governmental bodies, regulations and regulators will be dissolved, so probably the cybertruck will be an amazing camp fire, better known as a dumbster fire, due to spontaneous combustion like Chinese cars in China. Then to blame it on trans people or something.
Tesla's were already ugly as sin and these things looked even worse. It's not surprising.
Eh, I think they're fine. They're unique while still being aerodynamic, which is pretty hard in such a crowded field.
I'm not a fan, but I can totally understand those who are.
That said, the Cybertruck throws all of that out the window and is objectively ugly.
I certainly find it funny that Tesla's waiting list went from five years down to zero. Even Tesla's biggest fans who actually stumped money on this thing produced video after video griping about its price & brokenness.
But frankly it was kind of obvious from the get-go that it would be an expensive, uninsurable, lemony asshole death mobile. I wonder if the next time Tesla announces something and Musk spews lie after lie about it that people will start to cotton on that nothing he says can be taken at face value.
If somebody like Trump’s words still get reported like they mean anything, Musk has a long way to go.
If things stay normal, I would expect anything Tesla announces to get reproduced in the news in full with a little caveat somewhere that says musk is known for optimistic or aggressive timelines.
I am shocked they sold as many of them as they did. I get that there are mindless fans, but this is quite an expensive and ugly commitment to make.
What a shock, the meme car only sold a few units before people were over it. LoL 😂
Musk aside, it looks so goddamn stupid, I'd be embarrassed to drive around in it regardless. Like a cheap 80s movie version of what a futuristic car would look like.
And as Others have noted, why would you want a truck that looks like it can carry less stuff than a motorcycle can?
If we had one more season of Silicon Valley, Russ would absolutely be rubbing finger prints out of his Founder Edition Cyber Truck.
The world would also just be a happier and better place with another season.
I’d have guessed coke, not ketamine, as drug of choice to make these estimates. Maybe he’s already counting federal agencies to be stiffed with the cyberwanker?
Weird, I've heard Elon's pull out game sucks balls.
And I've heard the majority of his kids are IVF/surrogate... does Leon even fuck?
I'm sorry
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Yes but the joke if you missed it was thats a picture of Leon Kennedy from Resident Evil.
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Is this a bot?
The only thing Elon's ever pulled out of.
Beat me to it
Who would've thought that a very expensive truck in an ev market that is lukewarm at best, add in a good amount of weird looks and unreliability, wouldn't be a big seller? I could pick a conventional truck for a fraction of the price or this. People who bought it were doing it for show and now that market is tapped out.
I'm still waiting for them to finish loading in.
Why isn't the puny, petulant man-thing that runs the Nazicar Factory not suing us all for not buying them? That's how you deal with advertisers who don't wanna advertise with him so why not consumers who don't want to consume?
It's the next stupid, asinine step.
I hope anyone who ever admired this fuck face is deeply embarrassed. Or losing money.
Give him some time. Once his cronies get everything working right he won't have to sue, he can just deny federal benefits to people who don't order a cybertuck and send their hearts out to him when they receive it.
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Idk man, it was the Nazi salute and hostile takeover of the US government for me.
But you go ahead and gargle those Nazi balls
This guy sucks Elon's toes
He's just a toxic troll, check his comment history there's nothing of value there. It's real easy to block users on Lemmy, your online experience will be better off without him.
Yeah because they were showing such restraint before.
Tesla made 2.8 billion last year from selling regulatory credits. So they really didn't have to care how many cars they sold. But those surely are going away, so they are going to have to do some other government handout, which Elon is probably hand picking right now.
At least the Wolkswagen was egineered properly. I don't see anyone continuing to use this design after the war.
Well that was designed by one of the GOATs - Ferdinand Porsche
There were stops left that could be removed from Cybertrucks, still?
All DEI fault for this failure
/s (if it wasn’t obvious 🙂)
It's closer to the Haitians eating ducks, I think. I sniff glue.
Na this is caused by immigrant
/s
Na this is caused by the radical left /s
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Now if I could just get my 6YO to stop fawning over them.
Hmm... i can't blame them. The cybertruck does look like a 6yo's drawing of a car.
got treasure money now, no need to sell overpriced junk
Who the hell buys a cybertruck anyway ?
Obviously no one, hence the article.
Youtuber it seems.
Probably would have helped if it didn't look cobbled together out of sheet metal for a low-budget post-apocalypse movie. I picture Humungus standing up in it chasing Mel Gibson.
I'm surprised those weren't optional, paid DLC
Leon Skum is doing his best
I thought you were talking about me for a hot second…
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Elong Pork
Eww! Don't eat THAT longpig. Cannibalism should have values too.
Have they tried making a good car?
Turns out the group of people who look at mid nineties Laura Croft and think “that low polygon count asthenic is exactly how I like my women and trucks, I’ve got lots of disposable income to buy a truck that can’t do many truck things well, and I’m glad a far right ketamine fueled tech bro is running the company!” Is a small number of people.
Maybe they should include free Nazi salute lessons with each purchase and a bottle of Kentucky bourbon to get all the backwater inbred hicks on board to help spur sales of the swastitruck?
hey don't you disparage bourbon like that. bourbon isn't a fascist :c I hope
Are there brake problems again?
Look out, maybe you can soon dig up your own Cybertruck at a Texas quarry...
Looking at the 2024 sales numbers of the lighting and R1T, the Cybertruck is selling well comparatively.
That said, I can’t imagine that the look of the truck, and the actions of Tesla’s CEO, are helping sales in anyway.
As others pointed out, the reason it did well were the 10s of thousands of preorders from years ago.
“Preorders” were a fully refundable $100. The overwhelming majority of preorders canceled.
It's the price. I want a truck, not a Cadillac with a bed. A truck is meant for work not be a pavement princess. $50k was already high and the truck market is still stupid on price with most trucks going over $60k and Cybertruck starts at $75.5k. If the price was what Elon said when he announced the Cybertruck, it would be flying off the shelves $40k
And that certainly ain't no Cadillac.
As and when announced, it would have been one of the cheapest EVs. I’m not interested in a truck, but that announced price and done of the technology they promised, were very tempting. However now we see how preorders based on just an announcement are risky
Exactly, they were taking reservations at the $40k price for a really long time. I was looking to buy an EV in 2021 and at that price, it was significantly cheaper than anything being sold. I laughed at how fucking ugly the thing was, but it was so cheap that I didn't hesitate to put down a reservation.
Then when it was released, it was like $100k. Ain't no way am I paying that for that piece of shit. And in the meantime, Elon went full on Nazi. I could kind of ignore his dumbfuckery back in 2021 but not now.
Hate for his employees to suffer for his shitty actions but there it is
They already suffered from his shitty actions, he did not become a terrible person overnight.
Good.
Has Elon Musk tried not being a fascist plutocrat?
I can't buy one, they are not available in NZ yet. Despite what anyone else says, I like the look, it looks like the bastard child of a delorian and a countach, but in a good way.
I wouldn't buy one despite the fact that I like it. It is far too big for NZ roads, I may have overlooked that. But I can't overlook the fact that Elon has, for me at least, destroyed any good will that was built up. Tesla and all the people who work there have been tarred with the Nazi brush that Elon is wielding.
The only way that Tesla could claw back any respect from me (and hopefully the rest of the world) would be to oust Elon, and all his family from any decision making in the company. It will not happen so my respect for them is gone!
Will they ever be available?
Completely illegal in the UK as it'd never pass the safety tests. After all, that front hitting someone would be insta-death.
I'm not sure.
They don't seem much more dangerous than the new breed of massive flat nosed ute's that I see around.
If a pedestrian gets hit at any kind of speed by an ute, they are fucked.
I saw my first cybertruck in traffic yesterday, I initially thought that some redneck had every part you need to make a car except for the frame and body, and was like "I don't need none of that fancy shit, I got square tube and steel plate!" and welded together the laziest design they could think of. Then I realized it was just a cybertruck, and promptly laughed at it.
I describe it as looking like it was made out of plywood
It looks like my Pinewood Derby car that I made in Cub Scouts!
Seriously! They look terrible and the resale value is going to sink people. I wouldn't buy that thing if it was a dollar fifty.
If it was part of a trend of Redneck shit mobiles itd be respectable but stupid, the fact that they are built out of a factory and not Bubba'd out of scrap metal and random parts in a garage makes them thoroughly stupid and infinitely trashy.
Its awfully close to a dumpster on wheels. Just needs some flames coming out of it and a bigger 'tesla' logo and it'll be perfect.
In the words of a wise yellow character HA HA
Hopefully his investors finally learn their fkn lesson and stop giving him money so he can be an ass
Investors learn lesson? That's unpossible!
This news makes me smile.
I got a chubby
You win lol
Strange I see them everywhere
Do you by chance live in a high CoL area?
I do, and even the bougie "conservative" assholes aren't that interested. They're more the decked out F-whatever and gas guzzler types.
I don't like to say it but a third party dealership was selling some painted ones that actually looked pretty nice. Nice enough to make me think that maybe the plan was always to pass on the cost to the buyer, it's so much better.
Or maybe it was just a talented... car painter? Is that a thing when they're just working with flat panels and no design?
No East Coast
Plenty of the east coast is high CoL. Not as much as in the west, but plenty.
It just needs a good putsch.
I knew they should have built a real smoke and engine noise generator into the cyber truck. So that all those who insist on polluting, don't have to be left out.
They could put a big diesel in that large unused empty space in the back. It would probably be a popular option.
Not even Hitler would buy one. He's got too much self-respect than to associate with Elon.
Cybercuck.
Elon should offer to pay the tariff for new customers.
I wonder how Tesla sales in Israel are going?
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For what it was spec'd at originally, I think more people would have been willing to consider it than would like to admit, assuming the other trucks were still priced as is.
I'll admit it: a $30k EV with 600 miles of range? You'd be an idiot to not consider that, *until it was proven to be bullshit and Elon was proven to be a full-on fascist*.
People would have probably accepted the fascistness as well. If the car had come out as advertised.
I wouldn't say it was a failure.
It sold quite well considering its price.
The original specifications and price were never going to be met,
EV trucks will never make sense. Hybrids *can* but I have yet to see anything I would buy.
Pepsi is using EV semis going cross county. Never say never
I think they do/will make a lot of sense. Being able to drive to a job site and run your welder or other tools from the truck's battery seems like a game changer for certain applications. The Chevy Silverado EV and the F-150 Lightning seem pretty nice to me. They'll both be much more appealing once battery tech, charging speed, and charging infrastructure improve. I'm pretty stoked about this new company called Telo, I hope they make it. It's a pretty small truck with an 8' bed that's about as long as a Mini Cooper, plus it has the solar tech from Aptera.
Edit: and I imagine the Rivian R2T and R3T will be pretty sweet.
I think a generator for that purpose would likely make a lot more sense. I can't see buying an electric truck just so you can use its battery to weld. Maybe that's a nice to have at best.
Yeah, a generator would be a great option for most people, I imagine.
If you actually value low end torque over everything else, electric is a gimme.
Sounds like that's not your use case.
Electic motors are unmatched for torque and response time. No debate there but if you need to tow a big ass camper your range is going to suck if you dont have some hybrid config.
Yup, not your use case.
The Silverado EV and F150 lightning seem pretty decent from the specs, but towing anything they still seriously suck. But for most people they're actually already pretty good... Unlike the cyber truck.
I've been following Edison Motors. EV and Hybrid both make sense and can work depending on the application. They managed some real work tests towing log trailers without the genset kicking on.
Personally, I would have a model line with the option to either have an all EV or hybrid drivetrain. Share parts from the battery to the wheel, but more batteries where the engine/generator would go if it's the pure EV option.
The Ford Maverick hybrid looks quite excellent
You hit the nail on the head. If it can't tow it's pretty useless as a truck. If someone doesnt tow they probably dont need a truck in the first place otherwise they are better off with a gas model. The unfortunate thing is that regulations have forced manufacturers to implement shitty ICE drivetrains. Everything is a turbo now which is "more efficient" but there is no way they will last as long as the naturally aspirated V6 or V8s that would go for 400-500k miles.
uh, it's pretty common for turboed diesels to go over 500k miles. It's been standard since the late 90's.
If that's the case that's great. Not familiar with turbo diesels. I know that the turbo failure rate is non-trivial for regular gas vehicles and the repairs can be expensive.
Even most work trucks aren't towing very often. Even on job sites, most of the towed equipment is either brought in the first day and stays there (though with minor relocations) or it's brought in by the rental company, with their own vehicles.
The average use case for the majority of truck owners in the US does not involve towing. Light trucks are driven an average of around 30 miles per day, which is why I say for most people they're actually in a pretty good position, other than being pretty expensive vehicles of course. If you own a caravan or something and are doing regular massive road trips, you are the minority that these vehicles still don't cater to.
Most people dont need more than a ford maverick which isnt even a truck. However as a hybrid vehicle it is pretty good value even if the longevity is yet to be determined.
You do know that turbocharged engines don't rev as much don't you ? They last longer.
A 1.8L NA Atsra put out 92 kW at 6000 rpm. The 1.6L turbo version put out 134kW at 2800 rpm.